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TADFF: The Pierce Brothers on ‘The Wretched’ and the Love of Horror

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Written and directed by brothers Brett and Drew Pierce, The Wretched grips your imagination with its creative creature and inventive lore that crafts a fascinating and terrifying tale of a skin-stealing, child-eating wretch.

The film is a dark fairy tale that carries the sensibilities of a classic 80s horror with the spark of a modern indie horror. Speaking with the Pierce brothers at Toronto After Dark about their inspirations and their love for the horror genre, it’s easy to see how this fright-film film came into existence.

Carry on to read our revealing conversation, and click here to read my full TADFF review of The Wretched.


Kelly McNeely: So what was the genesis of The Wretched — where did this movie come from?

Drew Pierce: Our love of witch movies. Our love of witch stories and witch movies.

Brett Pierce: Actually, I mean, a lot of it starts with the Roald Dahl movie, The Witches. We read the book were kids and we loved it, and we love the movie —

Drew Pierce: It scared the shit out of us!

Brett Pierce: And I think we just always wanted to make a witch movie for that reason. And we wanted to lean a little more towards the creature aspect of a witch, less just a woman that does spells and curses. But I think also, I’m just a huge Hellboy comic nut — I own every Hellboy comic book, every spin off, and there’s a lot of witch stuff in that.

I was intrigued by all the folklore, so I went and read a bunch of witch folklore, and we found this one witch called Black Annie or Black Annis, which is a UK based witch that lives in a tree and eats children; she’s used as a scary story to make kids go to sleep. And she kind of looks like our witch. So we started with that, then we read a bunch of other witch myths and just stole the rules of other witches that we liked, and made the witch we wanted to work for our story.

Drew Pierce: There’s so many interesting myths, and most witch movies are just, it turns out that the witch is a ghost, you know? It’s a ghost of a woman who did evil things. We wanted to dive in and make it a full-on creature with its own set of rules.

Kelly McNeely: Yeah, less of a possession thing. Just, like, this is actually a witch who has these influences, and it’s genuinely terrifying. And the practical effects were amazing, can you talk a little bit about that?

Drew Pierce: We’re obsessed with practical effects. We’ve always loved practical stuff. Growing up with our dad, who obviously is steeped in that world. We collaborated with this makeup team, lead by Eric Porn. It’s really challenging, but it’s a great collaboration. I’m a storyboard artist and designer, so I helped with a lot of the creature design and we passed stuff back and forth, and it was just a treat to work with him and we got to put that together. 

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The Wretched via IMDb

Brett Pierce: It was really cool because Drew did initial designs of the creature, like really cool graphic designs and showed those to Eric, and then Eric did a 3D model of what he thought it would be. And we figured out where we wanted to be in the middle, but then we went back to Michigan to prep and get ready to shoot, and he would send us pictures of the sculptures he was doing, and Drew would just take it and we could draw over it and be like, maybe thin the face out, move the nose a little more, blah blah, and send it back, and then a day later he would send us the updated version, and we did that until we had the witch that we liked.

Drew Pierce: It’s a real challenge with practical effects, because they only look good for a couple seconds on camera from, like, that one angle. So you really have to design and think about it in advance. The other challenge is, you can make something look really really cool in one frame if you over build it, but then there’s no mobility for if you have a creature actor, which we did. So that was that was kind of the big challenge.

Brett Pierce: That secret component to it is the actress that played the witch. Her name is Madelynn Stuenkel, she’s in the beginning of the movie when the babysitter goes into the basement — that’s actually the same girl that plays the witch in the end of the movie. But she just sent us this random tape of her doing creepy crawly stuff. And she’d never done any of this stuff before, but it was awesome.

She’s so tall, she’s also so thin, but she just has really long arms and really long legs, so we were like, let’s just work with her anatomy. We tried not to — like Drew was saying — not to be too thick in certain areas, because what made her creepy is that she was just this long, creepy creature. And honestly, we got really lucky, because she would do these movements where you’re like, “oh, do that again”. It wasn’t even our plan. It’s like, “oh, you dropped your shoulder so fast. It looks so creepy”. It was cool.

Kelly McNeely: I was gonna ask about that as well, how the witch and that physicality developed, because it’s so distinctive.

Drew Pierce: Funny enough, we reached out for casting the witch, we created this casting call for people trying to create their own authentic movements for our witch, and we got back some of the funniest tapes you’ve ever seen [both laugh].

Brett Pierce: People running at the camera screaming… 

Drew Pierce: Crawling, shifting just in weird ways… 

Brett Pierce: Weird voices…

Drew Pierce: And then Madelynn sent us her tape, and we were immediately like, this is the girl. She’s ripped, she’s just a really athletic person in general, but she did a couple of movements that were sort of impressionist of The Ring and The Grudge. But then she did these really cool contortion moves and a lot of stuff with her back, and sneaking around, they just felt animalistic.

Brett Pierce: And I think we always wanted to have sudden movements, because we were going to add a lot of bone crunching, celery rip sound effects. And we got really lucky with Zarah Mahler, who plays the woman who first gets possessed by the witch, because she did all the same type of stuff too. So it was cool, because she started kind of playing her first — that was some of the first stuff we shot — and Madelynn got to watch her do it. So they informed each other. And we ended up with a very consistent character, even though it’s played by multiple actors. 

Kelly McNeely: That opening scene as well, it really gets you. I love that you guys don’t hold back when it comes to how you deal with kids. Can you talk a little bit about that? Was there ever a time you were like, maybe we shouldn’t?

The Wretched via IMDb

Brett Pierce: I think because we were kids in the 80s, and kids had all these sort of horror movies, but also straight up horror movies where bad things happen to kids! And it was okay. And I learned what to be afraid of, I learned from that. But I feel like as time went on, we got so worried about kids being scared or making those type of movies. I think when we went into it, we didn’t even think about it. 

Drew Pierce: Yeah, to us, it’s just in our DNA.

Brett Pierce: And other people will point out like, “you have all this fun stuff early, can this stuff happen?” And we’re like… yeah! And they’re like, “but we like them”. And, yeah, you’re supposed to like them, so when bad things happen, it’s awful! 

Drew Pierce: And there was definitely talk about, how gory do you go? What do you show, because what’s entertainment and what’s just exploitative? So there is definitely a happy medium for that.

Brett Pierce: We’re big fans of hinting at things, like you can be gory, you also don’t have to be over the top. You can just give the people the pieces and they put the horror together in their mind. And that’s actually worse than just, I see everything happening and it’s awful.

Kelly McNeely: Yeah, you don’t have to be totally explicit. You can leave that little bit to the imagination, which makes it so much scarier – to fill in those blanks.

Brett Pierce: Yeah, exactly. And we just like making movies that way instead, that’s more our thing.

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Thrills and Chills: Ranking ‘Radio Silence’ Films from Bloody Brilliant to Just Bloody

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Matt Bettinelli-Olpin, Tyler Gillett, and Chad Villella are all filmmakers under the collective label called Radio Silence. Bettinelli-Olpin and Gillett are the primary directors under that moniker while Villella produces.

They have gained popularity over the past 13 years and their films have become known as having a certain Radio Silence “signature.” They are bloody, usually contain monsters, and have breakneck action sequences. Their recent film Abigail exemplifies that signature and is perhaps their best film yet. They are currently working on a reboot of John Carpenter’s Escape From New York.

We thought we would go through the list of projects they have directed and rank them from high to low. None of the movies and shorts on this list are bad, they all have their merits. These rankings from top to bottom are just ones we felt showcased their talents the best.

We didn’t include movies they produced but didn’t direct.

#1. Abigail

An update to the second film on this list, Abagail is the natural progression of Radio Silence’s love of lockdown horror. It follows in pretty much the same footsteps of Ready or Not, but manages to go one better — make it about vampires.

Abigail

#2. Ready or Not

This film put Radio Silence on the map. While not as successful at the box office as some of their other films, Ready or Not proved that the team could step outside their limited anthology space and create a fun, thrilling, and bloody adventure-length film.

Ready or Not

#3. Scream (2022)

While Scream will always be a polarizing franchise, this prequel, sequel, reboot — however you want to label it showed just how much Radio Silence knew the source material. It wasn’t lazy or cash-grabby, just a good time with legendary characters we love and new ones who grew on us.

Scream (2022)

#4 Southbound (The Way Out)

Radio Silence tosses their found footage modus operandi for this anthology film. Responsible for the bookend stories, they create a terrifying world in their segment titled The Way Out, which involves strange floating beings and some sort of time loop. It’s kind of the first time we see their work without a shaky cam. If we were to rank this entire film, it would remain at this position on the list.

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#5. V/H/S (10/31/98)

The film that started it all for Radio Silence. Or should we say the segment that started it all. Even though this isn’t feature-length what they managed to do with the time they had was very good. Their chapter was titled 10/31/98, a found-footage short involving a group of friends who crash what they think is a staged exorcism only to learn not to assume things on Halloween night.

V/H/S

#6. Scream VI

Cranking up the action, moving to the big city and letting Ghostface use a shotgun, Scream VI turned the franchise on its head. Like their first one, this film played with canon and managed to win over a lot of fans in its direction, but alienated others for coloring too far outside the lines of Wes Craven’s beloved series. If any sequel was showing how the trope was going stale it was Scream VI, but it managed to squeeze some fresh blood out of this nearly three-decade mainstay.

Scream VI

#7. Devil’s Due

Fairly underrated, this, Radio Silence’s first feature-length film, is a sampler of things they took from V/H/S. It was filmed in an omnipresent found footage style, showcasing a form of possession, and features clueless men. Since this was their first bonafide major studio job it’s a wonderful touchstone to see how far they have come with their storytelling.

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Perhaps the Scariest, Most Disturbing Series of The Year

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You may have never heard of Richard Gadd, but that will probably change after this month. His mini-series Baby Reindeer just hit Netflix and it’s a terrifying deep dive into abuse, addiction, and mental illness. What is even scarier is that it’s based on Gadd’s real-life hardships.

The crux of the story is about a man named Donny Dunn played by Gadd who wants to be a stand-up comedian, but it’s not working out so well thanks to stage fright stemming from his insecurity.

One day at his day job he meets a woman named Martha, played to unhinged perfection by Jessica Gunning, who is instantly charmed by Donny’s kindness and good looks. It doesn’t take long before she nicknames him “Baby Reindeer” and begins to relentlessly stalk him. But that is just the apex of Donny’s problems, he has his own incredibly disturbing issues.

This mini-series should come with a lot of triggers, so just be warned it is not for the faint of heart. The horrors here don’t come from blood and gore, but from physical and mental abuse that go beyond any physiological thriller you may have ever seen.

“It’s very emotionally true, obviously: I was severely stalked and severely abused,” Gadd said to People, explaining why he changed some aspects of the story. “But we wanted it to exist in the sphere of art, as well as protect the people it’s based on.”

The series has gained momentum thanks to positive word-of-mouth, and Gadd is getting used to the notoriety.

“It’s clearly struck a chord,” he told The Guardian. “I really did believe in it, but it’s taken off so quickly that I do feel a bit windswept.”

You can stream Baby Reindeer on Netflix right now.

If you or someone you know has been sexually assaulted, please contact the National Sexual Assault Hotline at 1-800-656-HOPE (4673) or go to rainn.org.

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The Original ‘Beetlejuice’ Sequel Had an Interesting Location

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Back in the late ’80s and early ’90s sequels to hit movies weren’t as linear as they are today. It was more like “let’s re-do the situation but in a different location.” Remember Speed 2, or National Lampoon’s European Vacation? Even Aliens, as good as it is, follows a lot of the plot points of the original; people stuck on a ship, an android, a little girl in peril instead of a cat. So it makes sense that one of the most popular supernatural comedies of all time, Beetlejuice would follow the same pattern.

In 1991 Tim Burton was interested in doing a sequel to his 1988 original, it was called Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian:

“The Deetz family moves to Hawaii to develop a resort. Construction begins, and it’s quickly discovered that the hotel will be sitting on top of an ancient burial ground. Beetlejuice comes in to save the day.”

Burton liked the script but wanted some re-writes so he asked then-hot screenwriter Daniel Waters who had just got done contributing to Heathers. He passed on the opportunity so producer David Geffen offered it to Troop Beverly Hills scribe Pamela Norris to no avail.

Eventually, Warner Bros. asked Kevin Smith to punch up Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian, he scoffed at the idea, saying, “Didn’t we say all we needed to say in the first Beetlejuice? Must we go tropical?”

Nine years later the sequel was killed. The studio said Winona Ryder was now too old for the part and an entire re-cast needed to happen. But Burton never gave up, there were a lot of directions he wanted to take his characters, including a Disney crossover.

“We talked about lots of different things,” the director said in Entertainment Weekly. “That was early on when we were going, Beetlejuice and the Haunted MansionBeetlejuice Goes West, whatever. Lots of things came up.”

Fast-forward to 2011 when another script was pitched for a sequel. This time the writer of Burton’s Dark Shadows,  Seth Grahame-Smith was hired and he wanted to make sure the story wasn’t a cash-grabbing remake or reboot. Four years later, in 2015, a script was approved with both Ryder and Keaton saying they would return to their respective roles. In 2017 that script was revamped and then eventually shelved in 2019.

During the time the sequel script was being tossed around in Hollywood, in 2016 an artist named Alex Murillo posted what looked like one-sheets for a Beetlejuice sequel. Although they were fabricated and had no affiliation with Warner Bros. people thought they were real.

Perhaps the virality of the artwork sparked interest in a Beetlejuice sequel once again, and finally, it was confirmed in 2022 Beetlejuice 2 had a green light from a script written by Wednesday writers  Alfred Gough and Miles Millar. The star of that series Jenna Ortega signed on to the new movie with filming starting in 2023. It was also confirmed that Danny Elfman would return to do the score.

Burton and Keaton agreed that the new film titled Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice wouldn’t rely on CGI or other other forms of technology. They wanted the film to feel “handmade.” The film wrapped in November 2023.

It’s been over three decades to come up with a sequel to Beetlejuice. Hopefully, since they said aloha to Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian there has been enough time and creativity to ensure Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice will not only honor the characters, but fans of the original.

Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice will open theatrically on September 6.

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