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[Interview] Director Darren Lynn Bousman Talks Villains, Horror, & ‘St. Agatha.’

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St. Agatha, is the newest film by Director Darren Lynn Bousman (Saw II-IV, Abattoir, & The Tension Experience).  

Darren has been responsible for some pretty hardcore villains throughout his films from Rebecca De Mornay in Mothers Day to Tobin Bell in the Saw Franchise and now Carolyn Hennesy in St Agatha, we discuss not only his newest venture, but we also touch upon the villain that has scared him the most from his films.

St. Agatha Synopsis: It’s the 1950’s in small town Georgia, a pregnant con woman on the run seeks refuge in a convent hidden in deafening isolation. What first starts out as the perfect place to have a child turns into a dark layer where silence is forced, ghastly secrets are masked, and every bit of will power Agatha has is tested. She soon learns the sick and twisted truth of the convent and the Odd people that lurk inside its halls. Agatha must now find a way to discover the unyielding strength needed to escape and save her baby before she’s caged behind these walls forever.


ST. AGATHA is now available from Uncork’d Entertainment in theaters and On Demand / Digital HD.

Darren Lynn Bousman Interview

Photo by Matt Winkelmeyer – © 2016 WireImage – Image courtesy gettyimages.com
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Ryan T. Cusick: Hey Darren.

Darren Lynn Bousman: Hey Ryan how are you doing?

RTC: I’m great, how are you doing today?

DLB: Doing well, thanks.

RTC: Thank you so much for speaking with me today i’ve been looking forward to it.

DLB: No worries man, thank you.

RTC: Well I gotta bring this up immediately. In the film [St. Agatha] the use of the umbilical cord is very original. I had NEVER seen a scene like that before.

Both: Laugh

Carolyn Hennesy as Mother Superior in the horror film “ST. AGATHA” an Uncork’d Entertainment release. Photo courtesy of Uncork’d Entertainment.

DLB: Well it is funny because I just did the director’s commentary today and that was kind of the on going joke no one actually thought we were really going to do it. We were standing there on set and the DP looked at me and is like “Are we really going to shoot this?” And I was like, “is it too much?” And he was like, “maybe, but maybe not.” The sun was setting and we shot that on the very last day. We literally had twelve or fifthteen minutes to get the shot before the sun was too far gone and it wouldn’t have matched. We were just like “fuck it, let’s go for it” and we did it in one take. And yeah, we went there.

RTC: That was awesome. And I didn’t think you were and then I am like “okay its gonna happen.” It was great, it was great. Was it originally written in the script that way?

DLB: Yes and no…no it wasn’t. So basically I brought in one of my writers named Clint Sears the guy who I have worked with numerous times before to do a rewrite on the script. I kept talking about that I wanted better kills, I wanted something that was more iconic. He gave me the script and I thought he was fucking with me at first, and he kept talking to me, “that’s it dude, you gotta have balls man, just do it, just do it!” And, yeah, he’s right I hadn’t seen that in a movie before and I knew that we had to do it.

RTC: Yeah, ummm… this may have been the first movie. [Laughs] So, What really got you started into horror? I know that you’ve done the Saw series I had spoke to you about Abattoir (2016), and that was a great movie by the way, what really got you into horror?

DLB: I think that horror has such a prime and raw emotion attached to it that when good horror happens it can actually connect with you, it scars you or it tears you a little bit and for me no other genre does that. I could see a good drama, a good thriller, or even a good comedy and it is not something that like stays with me. Not something that I remember. With something like horror it is much different. When you watch something that gets under your skin. Like I just watched Suspiria like a week or two ago and i’ve not stopped thinking about it, it got under my skin. I watched The House That Jack Built and that movie – i’ve not stopped thinking about it. Now i’ve watched thirty movies between The House That Jack Built and now and I still go back to that and like “holy shit that was fucked up.” I think it is the same reason people go to amusement parks and ride a roller coaster they want that thrill, they want that sixty second feeling of being out of control but knowing their safe and I think that horror is that one genre that can give you that.

RTC: And Horror is something that you can go back and revisit like you said over and over again.

DLB: Yeah, exactly.

RTC: And there is not much out there other than horror that is like that.

DLB: I agree completely.

Marsha Fee Berger as Sister Susan in the horror film “ST. AGATHA” an Uncork’d Entertainment release. Photo courtesy of Uncork’d Entertainment.

RTC: You were involved with The Tension Experience and I noticed that Sabrina Kern who played Mary was also part of The Tension Experience. How was it directing her in a film versus directing her in that type of environment?

DLB: Well what is so fascinating to me about Sabrina is a couple of things. She had done nothing before this. She had never been in a movie and in fact she was living in Switzerland, she’s Swiss-German and she had been in L.A. for two years when I had met her. I met her on a weird add on Backstage, which is a website that you use to cast people and I was casting for this immerse theatre production. I met her and I immediately fell in love with her energy and passion. She was so excited and I found out later that she was from Switzerland, everything about her fascinated me. She was the lead of The Tension Experience and she just blew me away – her performance, her work ethic and at the same time I got this script for St. Agatha and it required a young woman and I wanted to cast kind of an unknown and it just seemed like the perfect vehicle. For her very first film ever and being out through the ringer like she does is kind of insane.

RTC: It was definitely good casting – he nailed it. Also, Carolyn Hennesy…

DLB: Yeah she is fucking evil bitch in this movie.

RTC: Oh she is! Man she is.

DLB: I love her. One of my favorite scenes is the scene where they are in the Chapel and she pulls Agatha’s hair backwards and she is sitting behind her, she’s smiling and talking about the perfect strawberry and she is so sinister and sweet and then just horrific and mccobb the next second. I have been i’ve been very lucky to have worked with very great villains in my movies – Rebecca De Mornay in Mother’s Day to Tobin Bell in the Saw Franchise, I felt that exact presence around Carolyn Hennesy. She just has it. You sit with her and you’re in her presence  and she scares me, she terrifies me. I said this in my director’s commentary today, “the first time I met her my asshole clenched, she just scares me.” She’s the nicest person in the world but I am surprised that I have never seen her in a movie like this before. She is the greatest villain.

RTC: She is and if I ever write a piece on the top five villains, I mean she would be part of that for sure because she was remarkable.

DLB: Oh that’s great thank you.

RTC: The ending of the film was that the original or did you shoot various endings?

DLB: The original script for the movie and the original edit was much different. Originally in the film the first forty minutes they weren’t in a convent it was all a back story. The producers wisely said that we need to get to the convent a lot quicker. So we re edited the entire thing and had it start in the convent and then kind of tell it through flashbacks. There was a lot more in the ending a lot more crazy shit that went on but in the very end we wanted to streamline it. Again, the umbilical cord it used to be that you got into a fight with rocks, stick, and clubs and they beat each other up almost to death. And then I was like, “nope we are going to use the umbilical cord.” It was hard because like I had said we had such a limited time to make the movie. We got the script and like ten days later we are shooting the thing.

RTC: What’s next for you?

DLB: Well I’m still doing immersive theatre which I still think is my primary passion it is just something that I love. For your readers that don’t know much about it I highly recommend checking out the immersive theatre scene, specifically if you are a fan of horror because they have the ability to get under your skin in a way that I feel movies do not. I am doing more immersive theatre and I just finished another movie in Thailand called The Death Of Me which stars Maggie Q and Luke Hemsworth. The film is kind of a paranoid thriller which I just finished that and it that will be coming out next year.

RTC: Perfect I will definitely be looking for that and I wanted to thank you again, you’re wonderful and keep on doing what your doing for us.

DLB: Thanks so much for that I appreciate it.

RTC: No problem, you take care.

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Thrills and Chills: Ranking ‘Radio Silence’ Films from Bloody Brilliant to Just Bloody

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Radio Silence Films

Matt Bettinelli-Olpin, Tyler Gillett, and Chad Villella are all filmmakers under the collective label called Radio Silence. Bettinelli-Olpin and Gillett are the primary directors under that moniker while Villella produces.

They have gained popularity over the past 13 years and their films have become known as having a certain Radio Silence “signature.” They are bloody, usually contain monsters, and have breakneck action sequences. Their recent film Abigail exemplifies that signature and is perhaps their best film yet. They are currently working on a reboot of John Carpenter’s Escape From New York.

We thought we would go through the list of projects they have directed and rank them from high to low. None of the movies and shorts on this list are bad, they all have their merits. These rankings from top to bottom are just ones we felt showcased their talents the best.

We didn’t include movies they produced but didn’t direct.

#1. Abigail

An update to the second film on this list, Abagail is the natural progression of Radio Silence’s love of lockdown horror. It follows in pretty much the same footsteps of Ready or Not, but manages to go one better — make it about vampires.

Abigail

#2. Ready or Not

This film put Radio Silence on the map. While not as successful at the box office as some of their other films, Ready or Not proved that the team could step outside their limited anthology space and create a fun, thrilling, and bloody adventure-length film.

Ready or Not

#3. Scream (2022)

While Scream will always be a polarizing franchise, this prequel, sequel, reboot — however you want to label it showed just how much Radio Silence knew the source material. It wasn’t lazy or cash-grabby, just a good time with legendary characters we love and new ones who grew on us.

Scream (2022)

#4 Southbound (The Way Out)

Radio Silence tosses their found footage modus operandi for this anthology film. Responsible for the bookend stories, they create a terrifying world in their segment titled The Way Out, which involves strange floating beings and some sort of time loop. It’s kind of the first time we see their work without a shaky cam. If we were to rank this entire film, it would remain at this position on the list.

Southbound

#5. V/H/S (10/31/98)

The film that started it all for Radio Silence. Or should we say the segment that started it all. Even though this isn’t feature-length what they managed to do with the time they had was very good. Their chapter was titled 10/31/98, a found-footage short involving a group of friends who crash what they think is a staged exorcism only to learn not to assume things on Halloween night.

V/H/S

#6. Scream VI

Cranking up the action, moving to the big city and letting Ghostface use a shotgun, Scream VI turned the franchise on its head. Like their first one, this film played with canon and managed to win over a lot of fans in its direction, but alienated others for coloring too far outside the lines of Wes Craven’s beloved series. If any sequel was showing how the trope was going stale it was Scream VI, but it managed to squeeze some fresh blood out of this nearly three-decade mainstay.

Scream VI

#7. Devil’s Due

Fairly underrated, this, Radio Silence’s first feature-length film, is a sampler of things they took from V/H/S. It was filmed in an omnipresent found footage style, showcasing a form of possession, and features clueless men. Since this was their first bonafide major studio job it’s a wonderful touchstone to see how far they have come with their storytelling.

Devil’s Due

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Perhaps the Scariest, Most Disturbing Series of The Year

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You may have never heard of Richard Gadd, but that will probably change after this month. His mini-series Baby Reindeer just hit Netflix and it’s a terrifying deep dive into abuse, addiction, and mental illness. What is even scarier is that it’s based on Gadd’s real-life hardships.

The crux of the story is about a man named Donny Dunn played by Gadd who wants to be a stand-up comedian, but it’s not working out so well thanks to stage fright stemming from his insecurity.

One day at his day job he meets a woman named Martha, played to unhinged perfection by Jessica Gunning, who is instantly charmed by Donny’s kindness and good looks. It doesn’t take long before she nicknames him “Baby Reindeer” and begins to relentlessly stalk him. But that is just the apex of Donny’s problems, he has his own incredibly disturbing issues.

This mini-series should come with a lot of triggers, so just be warned it is not for the faint of heart. The horrors here don’t come from blood and gore, but from physical and mental abuse that go beyond any physiological thriller you may have ever seen.

“It’s very emotionally true, obviously: I was severely stalked and severely abused,” Gadd said to People, explaining why he changed some aspects of the story. “But we wanted it to exist in the sphere of art, as well as protect the people it’s based on.”

The series has gained momentum thanks to positive word-of-mouth, and Gadd is getting used to the notoriety.

“It’s clearly struck a chord,” he told The Guardian. “I really did believe in it, but it’s taken off so quickly that I do feel a bit windswept.”

You can stream Baby Reindeer on Netflix right now.

If you or someone you know has been sexually assaulted, please contact the National Sexual Assault Hotline at 1-800-656-HOPE (4673) or go to rainn.org.

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The Original ‘Beetlejuice’ Sequel Had an Interesting Location

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Back in the late ’80s and early ’90s sequels to hit movies weren’t as linear as they are today. It was more like “let’s re-do the situation but in a different location.” Remember Speed 2, or National Lampoon’s European Vacation? Even Aliens, as good as it is, follows a lot of the plot points of the original; people stuck on a ship, an android, a little girl in peril instead of a cat. So it makes sense that one of the most popular supernatural comedies of all time, Beetlejuice would follow the same pattern.

In 1991 Tim Burton was interested in doing a sequel to his 1988 original, it was called Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian:

“The Deetz family moves to Hawaii to develop a resort. Construction begins, and it’s quickly discovered that the hotel will be sitting on top of an ancient burial ground. Beetlejuice comes in to save the day.”

Burton liked the script but wanted some re-writes so he asked then-hot screenwriter Daniel Waters who had just got done contributing to Heathers. He passed on the opportunity so producer David Geffen offered it to Troop Beverly Hills scribe Pamela Norris to no avail.

Eventually, Warner Bros. asked Kevin Smith to punch up Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian, he scoffed at the idea, saying, “Didn’t we say all we needed to say in the first Beetlejuice? Must we go tropical?”

Nine years later the sequel was killed. The studio said Winona Ryder was now too old for the part and an entire re-cast needed to happen. But Burton never gave up, there were a lot of directions he wanted to take his characters, including a Disney crossover.

“We talked about lots of different things,” the director said in Entertainment Weekly. “That was early on when we were going, Beetlejuice and the Haunted MansionBeetlejuice Goes West, whatever. Lots of things came up.”

Fast-forward to 2011 when another script was pitched for a sequel. This time the writer of Burton’s Dark Shadows,  Seth Grahame-Smith was hired and he wanted to make sure the story wasn’t a cash-grabbing remake or reboot. Four years later, in 2015, a script was approved with both Ryder and Keaton saying they would return to their respective roles. In 2017 that script was revamped and then eventually shelved in 2019.

During the time the sequel script was being tossed around in Hollywood, in 2016 an artist named Alex Murillo posted what looked like one-sheets for a Beetlejuice sequel. Although they were fabricated and had no affiliation with Warner Bros. people thought they were real.

Perhaps the virality of the artwork sparked interest in a Beetlejuice sequel once again, and finally, it was confirmed in 2022 Beetlejuice 2 had a green light from a script written by Wednesday writers  Alfred Gough and Miles Millar. The star of that series Jenna Ortega signed on to the new movie with filming starting in 2023. It was also confirmed that Danny Elfman would return to do the score.

Burton and Keaton agreed that the new film titled Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice wouldn’t rely on CGI or other other forms of technology. They wanted the film to feel “handmade.” The film wrapped in November 2023.

It’s been over three decades to come up with a sequel to Beetlejuice. Hopefully, since they said aloha to Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian there has been enough time and creativity to ensure Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice will not only honor the characters, but fans of the original.

Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice will open theatrically on September 6.

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